One on one...with Terry Dovey
One moment that changed the course of your career
It was the moment I spoke to Professor Halford after I noticed the deadline for the PhD I wanted at Liverpool had passed. He kindly extended the application deadline for me. I would have walked a different path if it was not for that; probably ending up in neurobiology. I guess it was a lesson in if you don’t ask…
One journal article or book that you think all psychologists should read Other than mine? It has to be the ‘White Bible’ – Cooper, Heron and Heward’s Applied Behaviour Analysis.
One thing that you would change about psychology
Just one thing? It would have to be understanding of the theoretical underpinnings of psychology. I meet a lot of psychologists travelling between hospitals and I have yet to be introduced to two that refer to themselves as same ‘type’ of psychologist. This is mirrored with over
400 different applied models identified in the literature. There really are only four. I think that speaks volumes. People are creating models without really understanding those already out there.
One misunderstood point about behaviour therapy
I think behavioural therapists are the most misunderstood group
of people in psychology. I have been accused of some horrible things by other psychologists, both in the clinical setting and at conferences. Things such as I punish children, I make kids taste their vomit, I do not engage with clients’ emotions, what I do is unethical, or that I deny that the mind exists. I categorically deny all of these. Without exception, the same techniques are used in hospitals, schools or homes every day. We have just refined these techniques. The irony is that the behaviourist component within psychology is the only evidence base that would stand up to the medical model. Without measuring behavioural outcomes and changes we are simply having a nice conversation.
One challenge you think psychology faces
The main threat, I feel, to psychology as a profession is the lack of published efficacy lists. Good/bad/indifferent psychologists are, I feel, created more on egos than outcomes. I guess this extends into increasing evidence-based practice. Other professions are ranked. In higher education my university is ranked based on league tables and as an individual I am ranked on my h-index. In clinic, I have a supervisor and no rank. Instead, I have had to publish the clinic’s outcomes – which are awesome. If we do not embrace the efficacy measures, then I think we will be replaced by those that can do it cheaper, with fewer qualifications, less training and, as we do not measure efficacy, with equal outcomes.
One thing that ‘organised psychology’ could do better
Personally, I would like to see psychologists engage with philosophy a lot more. I would also like to see them purposefully taught the four separate applied areas of psychology (behavioural, emotional, cognitive, psychoanalytic) independently too. Once outside of the walls of the university the student is confronted with many multiple types of applied psychology and I am not convinced they are equipped to deal with this.
One hope for the future
I would hope that psychology applies behavioural techniques and fully embraces evidence-based practice and that all services publish their outcomes.
One final thought
To all those students and professional psychologists out there, go find a good behaviourist to talk to. You will be surprised at what you will find. We are good and we can prove it. If you want to prove how good you are, look to the behavioural school for guidance.
Online only answers...
One psychological superpower
I have not had one yet. I’ll let you know when I do. It is about the team. Even when interventions work or a paper is well received and cited, I cannot take credit for it alone. Therefore, I do not feel pride, I just feel thankful I work with good people.
One person who inspired you
It is difficult to choose just one person. There are those people in my profession I seek to emulate (e.g. Professors Jane Wardle, Jason Halford, Marion Hetherington, Chris Oliver, Kathleen Piazza, Caroline Meyer, Angela Southall). In truth, I was guided into being a psychologist rather than inspired to be one.
I really regret not doing a post-doctorate research position. I feel that if I had taken that route, I would have learned a lot more. I jumped from PhD straight into a lectureship. It took me another three years post PhD to find both my feet and my place in the field.
One hero/heroine from psychology past or present
I think I am going to keep to my modus operandi and go for a dinner party. I would love to sit down with Dr Kathleen Piazza, Dr Keith Williams and Dr Bill Crist. All of these people have significantly advanced my field of feeding disorders.
One nugget of advice for aspiring psychologists
Most students want to be a clinical psychologist. They wrongly believe this is the only way to work as a professional psychologist. The best piece of advice I can impart is look to the practising certificates as plan B’s. Look at the applied behaviour analysis, cognitive behavioural therapy and psychoanalytic certificates. Choose the one that best suits the client group you want to work with.
BPS Members can discuss this article
Already a member? Or Create an account
Not a member? Find out about becoming a member or subscriber